I hope your eyes are one day opened. I double dog dare every Creeker to demand to see a detailed budget. Excellent comment! I chose to focus on the positive, job well done, not the negative. In Megas there are layers upon layers of protective bubble wrap for guys like Hybels. That is a typical church response. Not a wise thing to do. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. Once again, that is left in the capable Hands of our Father. John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. For the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 1 Peter 4:8 . But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. Hybels problem seemed to be hotel rooms. One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. It can be such a power deal included in lots of other power moves by the evil ones well regarded in church. This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Just without a Christianese coat of paint. It occurred shortly after she had divorced her first husband. Are you so sure its the devil? They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. He sees things.. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. (My roommate confirmed with the Tribune) When I got to the room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. Publicado en 88000 . Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? . Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. Max, darn! And similarly for the individual when it is a corporation. He just got knocked off his pedestal and some of his supporters are throwing up their hands in despair. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. Realizing it WAS NOT YOU. @ dee: If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. @ Davis and Natasha: The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. April 13, 2018. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. That is hard to deal with. And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. @ jackie: So sad that we are talking about this within the context of the pulpit! The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. When I confronted him, most people said I made it up or misunderstood, even though I know they saw him go after others. Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Hooray for David. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. 1 Peter 4:8 Wow!!! And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. Theres theory, and then practise. Such a horror of more revictimization. And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. I know. In a calm. 1 comment about arms The letter was ill received and insulting to victims. It was part of his long time abuse of her. At times I have even wondered if it is not even being used to distract from addressing the root of the problem. I had the Willow Creek model thrust down on my church over 25 years ago. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? Thus, the cottage industry that often accompanies or is an integral part of their ministry (sic) glides on, and the supposed spiritual.authority who is moving on is positioned to escape consequences and true rebuke. Wild!!! Emily McFarlan Miller. The worst that often has happened is some vague mumbled half-apology or copping to a general misunderstanding. Dee and Brad, have you read my series about Don Hennessys work? Does Willow Creek teach leaders how to marginailze church members that do not have the vision that the pastor does? I get Im not welcome here. Thus, a comment with an accusatory flail that the bride of Christ is being slammed does much more to define you than your list of purported credentials than the site hosts and most of the responsible contributors in the comments section. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? Dont jump to quickly to the question, How could an honest, intelligent person not have seen what was happening under his or her nose for years?. Or the colleague. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. He was the it guy on leadership in those circles for some reason. Im probably talking to the air, though, because hit-and-run scolds like you seldom have the courage to come back. And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. "He told me what he thought about how I looked, very specifically, what he thought about my leadership gifts, my strengths," she told the Tribune. Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. Wondering if the old frog in the pot was happening at the church, including John Ortberg. However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. I think thats true for some and not others. Same play book. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Think about it. @ dee: Jose has interviewed TOP CLASS Global Christian Leaders. 1 kiss Agreed that Ms. Walles claims arent relevant to the question of Mr. Hybels actions, although they do speak to a toxic, boundary-less culture where men were apparently not held to high standards and did not have clear guidelines that held them accountable. Excuse me? WHAT EVIDENCE? there will be a pendulum swing away from megachurches. ) (John 18:10 NIV). Who are the people our Creator said were His people? Certainly not the ones who keep claiming they are always the victims. Is it the lack of family having your back? It is also understandable why John and Nancy Ortbergs relationship with the Hybels took a nosedive. 2022 Special Gift: As a token of God's faithfulness in his life, his family and ministry, all these . I think people also need to read-jodiewalle.com/openletterto johnortbergwho was also accused of much the same thing-be careful of the stones you throw-and also be careful of how you judge anything. Since you are well versed, go back to Jesus in the Garden the night he was betrayed. Or even an outlier, if need be. Anyone questioning the purpose of this blog should realize that when churches and relgious leaders put themselves out there accountabilty comes with that publicity. Even worse, you can be shamed/shuned, and called lukewarm for your honest questioning of what you experienced/think. Darn it! Is that honest? I bet she had help. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. A less intimidating way to do that is a diary of sorts. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. Strange things are happening on Twitter on this case. Should I be worried? Honest to Pete until this very discussion I thought that this was just the way that decent people behave. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? I was never a member, but many family members were including on the entertainment, I mean worship, team. The fact that just a bunch of us posting our opinions on blogs can cause such a ruckus tells me we are touching infected nerves.. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? August 7, 2018. Ive worked with men for over 40 years in business. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. Who is Bill Hybels? . One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. I am one of His people. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? So sad. I have encountered such men who speak pridefully about how many they have saved. he has no idea who well you know Scripture. I get Im not welcome here. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. All about leadership, leadership, leadership. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. Willow is no exception. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? While still being married, Stephany accidentally reconnects with a former lover, who is hideously ugly and struggling nancially. Perhaps after a time. If any Pastor asked me to have a private, evening chat about leadership I would have looked like a leaf trembling in the wind. I say we are. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. This is ridiculous! RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. Assuming that Ms. Walle isnt lying whatever her tone or motives Ortberg could go first and model real manhood by addressing her claims directly, owning what is true, and asking for forgiveness, as warranted. if this was mishandled, was else has been mishandled? Which is why the Internet is SATANIC WITCHCRAAAAAFT and their on-lookers are the WITCHES! Read Paul on Mars hill. FWIW, Id love the notification option tooI have the opposite problem as Barb. How can this stand unchallenged? I have recently become Lutheran. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. Watch and youll see it some day! Sometimes you have to look into the darkness in order to see that God is still present and at work. The FAQ document she links, however, entitled Willow Creek Response to Local Media, has mysteriously transformed itself into a 404 NOT FOUND message. I go even further with it, Jack. It is a sad day for others in a position of leadership at Willow Creek to have been slow to address this and take definitive steps against it early on! I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. Like the invitation sent out to for the Family Meetings, and the actual meetings themselves. Who would believe any of it if it were not for the Ortbergs? LOL. I tried to say disciplining. This one is so true. Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. So grateful for this much-needed emphasis this weekend. 40 years of it. That isnt good for anyone. Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. Hybels either is, or is not, rightly accused. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. Will they not both fall into a pit? The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. 3434 pant, right? he did so because there were problems and he knew more would come. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. Kudos to these two publishers. What a great article! The question is why? And influence a few. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Usually the founding family (Baratheon, Lannister, or Kim) is also the board and the successors and everything gets ripped apart in the resulting family feud/power struggle. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. IF NOTHINGS DOCUMENTED, IT NEVER HAPPENED AND YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. He told me he had taken Ambien. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. In 2019, a six-month-long independent review found all allegations against Bill credible. I believe her account. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. This is Uncharted Territory for them. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. Position? That is more unusual these days. Redemption. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. Not atypical. 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